Pierre Rochard, CEO of The Bitcoin Bond Company, joins Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook to unpack the narratives driving crypto markets heading into Q4. From his 80K year-end price target to his rebuttal of Mark Cuban's "chips are the new crypto" take, Pierre breaks down why Bitcoin's scarcity story remains intact and why miners pivoting to AI could actually be a tailwind for Bitcoin price. Plus, Bullish's new Head of Tokenization joins to unpack what it means to be the first regulated exchange to trade tokenized equity. - Timecodes: 00:00 - Pierre Rochard Joins Markets Outlook 00:56 - Watching the Fed and Treasury 02:14 - Pierre’s Bitcoin Price Target 02:24 - Responding to Mark Cuban: Chips vs. Bitcoin 06:01 - Why Cuban May Have Latched Onto the Wrong Narrative 07:25 - Will Retail Come Back to Bitcoin? 09:24 - Brand New Rails: Bullish Launches Tokenized Equity Trading 12:02 - Self-Custody vs. Exchanges Post-ColdCard 13:42 - The Best Ways to Get Bitcoin Exposure 15:32 - Bitcoin Miners Pivoting to AI 17:21 - Why Miners Leaving Is Actually Bullish for Bitcoin - This episode is brought to you by RealFi, a smarter stablecoin, backed by real-world assets. RealFi is launching August 2026. Join the Testnet now at realfi.co. - #digitalfinance #finance #bitcoin Subscribe to CoinDesk on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/CoinDesk?sub_confirmation=1 CoinDesk is the leading digital media, events and information services company for the crypto asset and blockchain technology community. Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/coindesk LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/coindesk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coindesk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CoinDesk Newsletters: https://www.coindesk.com/newsletters CoinDesk Podcast Network: https://open.spotify.com/show/2jyIhkvAQhed8AWDZiPpSP Public Keys: https://open.spotify.com/show/1rqYzRV10nfKfoTpFXZhTE Markets Daily Crypto Roundup: https://open.spotify.com/show/7sDXM8BlxsUqzL2IqmLqwE The Policy Protocol: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Fh8ffulAWcCqMu0uVuwoj